SemanticWeb

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Semantic Web Search to launch? [1]

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What is a Semantic Web?

Universal pages on the web. Explicit meaning versus Derived meaning. XML Schema versus Semantic Ontology? Data shared between applications.

There is an order to the history of semantic representations. What if you take a tag out of del.ici.ous? And a tag from Flickr? What similarities do they share? Can formalized knowledge be transferred?

[2] Semantically-Interlinked Online Communities Project came out of Ireland. Formalized Ontology that is useable. A Rosetta stone for pushing data into the Siocosphere. Semantic Radar is a semantic metadata detector for Firefox. It is a browser extension which inspects web pages for links to Semantic Web metadata and informs about presence of it by showing an icon in browser's status bar. Currently it supports SIOC, FOAF and DOAP metadata. Semantic Radar can now ping the Semantic Web Ping Service when metadata are detected. This allows for a community based discovery of the Semantic Web data.

The arguments for hierarchial data.

Principle of Emergence. Low-level programming creates higher order. Should we be focussing on the data relationship? Or be more concerned with higher order? The self-organized pools of data could mean nothing.

Is structure necessary to derive meaning, or is the context enough? Does formatting help or hinder?

Knowledge Information Relationship/Data

Discussion of bottom up vs. top down. There is always fuzziness because the ambiguity of language. Relevancy rankings that community certifies. Peter Norvid challenged Tim Berners Lee where he felt that Google takes a better approach than the Semantic Web.

How can you get it into that format? Salim found that deriving meaning from raw data is difficult. But, a simple star rating gives more meaning. ex. "I like Harry Potter." Thesaurical mapping can help with raw data. 3 types of matching: Boolean, probablistic, ???

Nobody's publishing structured data? The problem of Semantic Web? There can be more value in to the data at its creation. Structured Blogging. Microformats, the Schema. Podcasts work this way. So if you don't categorize the podcast, no one would find it. videos the same way.

PDF one of the great destroyers of information in the World? There really needs to be an alternative? But it might be changing. Maybe the bigger problem is documents. Everyone writes documents and sends it back and forth. It kills ideas, it doesn't harvest. Maybe Microsoft is the greatest killer of ideas. End the 8.5 by 11 ideal. Maybe the myspace generation will not be confined to this consruct. People are so comfortable with documents, but they would be better served with wiki. Does anyone use hypertextual environments? Everything in a wiki. Digital pen technology? Structureless, but effective idea tool? Citeseer solved problem.

What is that you want out of a semantic web?

Is it just search? Or, do you want to run your payroll system? You have to more trust your software for that application. Will trust ever be more than a waiting factor? A Semantic web requires reputation and trust in order to work because the sharing of data and its structure is at its core.

Wine judge theory. There are wines I like, and there are judges that are consistent with my tastes. Therefore, Wine judge is good curator for me. The content to be machine-processable?

RSS feed that allows 10% more outside the box. I don't know what I want or how to ask for it. Dirk Gently's m.o. he gets into his car and just follows the first car that he encounters. Does not know where he's going but knows he will get to where he should be.

Who at 12 has a deterministic path for their life?

Does voice offer inflection and more context than just words? Why is this context and meaning ignored when it can be so useful for the computer to deliver more accurate results.

Wiki-version of that ontology. Pirsig's quality concept. Leila, the sequel develops the goodness concept further. Breaks it down to dynamic vs. static quality. Two different types of goodness. Are they complementary? East/West religion. A sculptor works with potential energy, dynamic quality until shape takes form and rigidity sets in. DNA is dynamic. Protein is static. Sales/Marketing is dynamic. Accounting/Systems is the static. Working together, is this recipe for progress?

--Eshock 21:50, 2 November 2006 (EST)